Neem oil in fruit orchard

by KLBM
(Westfield NC USA)

I have a small orchard of 17 fruit trees. This year I couldn't find the spray I would usually use, which was a blend of Malathion, which kills spider mites, aphids, and similar insects and arachnids, Carbaryl, a general insecticide, and Captan, a fungicide.

Instead I used a fruit tree spray of which the main ingredient was Neem oil, with which I was not familiar.

I had my suspicions when the label said to apply the spray at the first sign of insect damage. As any orchardist knows, to have clean fruit you must begin spraying long before that -- when damage is first evident it is too late; the insects have already pierced your immature fruit and laid their eggs inside.

So I used it as I would the other spray, before blossoms opened, at petal drop, and about every 2 weeks afterwards. As usual, I could not spray as often as I should, because weather conditions, etc. always conspire to interfere. But the first few sprays are the most important, and I did get those right.

My peach and plum trees were loaded this year. But I was very disappointed when the peaches began to ripen, as virtually all of them were infested with worms, I suppose curculios (a type of weevil). Brown rot also claimed very many of the ripening peaches, as I don't think the spray contained any fungicide (I threw away the empty bottle so I'll have to check that the next time I'm in the store).

What I know is that the wastage was truly awful, and there was hardly a perfect peach in the lot. The plums were so heavily infected with brown rot that we hardly got any to eat, and what we did get was mostly picked and eaten slightly green, not full-flavored because it wasn't ripe enough. They rotted before they could ripen fully.

I am never going to depend on Neem oil products again; they may be environmentally better but they don't do the job. Our local hardware, where I bought the stuff, is carrying fewer and fewer of the effective pesticides and more and more Politically Correct "green" insecticides that are so safe they wouldn't hurt a fly. I have located another source for the fruit tree spray I used to use, and will be buying it there in the future.

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Neem oil in fruit orchard

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Using neem oil
by: Birgit

Hi KLBM,

You say you are or were not familiar with neem. I would suggest you familiarise yourself with it and with the way it works.

You can not simply replace a highly toxic and persistent chemical cocktail like the one you are using, with a ready made fruit tree spray containing some neem, and expect to get identical results. You won't.

That is a mistake many people make and that's why many people end up disappointed.

A few pointers:

Neem extracts and ready made products are nowhere near as effective as raw, cold-pressed neem oil that you prepare yourself. Processing, heat, moisture and UV light destroy many of the active components in neem oil. I always recommend a high quality, raw, cold-pressed oil with a high Azadirachtin content for use against any bugs. I myself would never use ready made sprays at all.

The inseciticidal/pesticidal components of neem oil are not stable in a watery solution, so any water based sprays need to be made freshly and used immediately.

Neem oil is not stable in the environment (moisture and UV light break it down very quickly). Repeated, regular application, especially after rain, is ESSENTIAL for control. If you spray some persistent chemical cocktail it is enough to get a few early sprays in. The chemicals will still be there months later (and when you eat the produce). But a few early sprays are not enough if you use a natural substance that breaks down fast.

I am very sorry that you lost your crop, but not surprised.

Related pages:
Neem Oil Spray - Buy or make your own
Neem Oil Insecticide - How it works

More on Neem in the orchard
by: KLBM

To Birgit -- So now I not only have to take the time to spray at least every two weeks, but have to repeat after every rain, as well as concoct the preparation myself? It is too much trouble. I did read up on Neem after I made my comment. Supposedly it acts as a fungicide as well. The ready-made spray I used was 70% Neem and did not work. No wonder there are so few organic farmers/gardeners.

Natural vs chemical solutions
by: Birgit

Depending what other ingredients your spray had it might have actually been a good product. Some oils are just blended with a potassium soap or similar to make them easier to dissolve. Though 70% seems too low for it to be that. And "neem" does not say exactly was in it. Raw oil? Processed extract? Anyway...

I am not trying to convince you to use neem oil. It obviously isn't what you are looking for.
Anyone who wants a ready made spray that knocks bugs and diseases immediately and thoroughly and has a lasting effect will not be happy with neem oil. You need to apply (and ultimately eat) pretty toxic stuff to get that effect.

Neem oil is not a simple replacement for chemical cocktails. It requires a different approach to bug and disease control.

I just tried to explain why you did not get the results you were looking for.


neem in fruit tree orchard
by: Rietha Crafford

I believe you have just proven to be an idiot. Neem you have to spray every 7-10 day. Don't blame the product if you were wrong, as you yourself admitted that you did not spray when you were supposed to. This oil works...

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